Steven Chu (Stanford Professor) – The path to a sustainable world | The Royal Society (May 2023)
Chapters
00:01:15 US-UK Scientific Relationship and Clean Energy
Background of Professor Stephen Hsu: Professor Stephen Hsu is a Nobel Laureate in physics, having shared the award in 1997 for his work on methods to cool and trap atoms with laser light. He has made significant contributions to precision atom interferometry, optical tweezers of molecules, and biological studies using single molecule FRET. Hsu’s current research focuses on molecular and cell physiology, medical imaging, nanoparticle synthesis for bioimaging, and battery research.
Hsu’s Tenure as U.S. Secretary of Energy: From 2009 to 2013, Professor Hsu served as the U.S. Secretary of Energy. During this time, he played a key role in implementing President Obama’s clean energy agenda, addressing climate change, and promoting job creation in the energy sector.
Hsu’s Recognition and Accomplishments: Hsu holds 10 patents and has published over 250 academic papers. He has received 35 honorary degrees and is a member of prestigious scientific organizations, including the Royal Society, the National Academy of Sciences, and the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. Hsu’s contributions have earned him international recognition for his work in science.
Importance of U.S.-UK Scientific Collaboration: The U.S.-UK scientific relationship is strong and crucial for addressing global challenges such as clean energy, fossil fuel dependence, and climate change. In 2021, the science academies of the Group of Seven issued recommendations to the G7 government on these issues, emphasizing the need for collaboration and action.
00:06:50 Global Challenges and Opportunities in Achieving Net Zero Greenhouse Gas Emissions
Climate Change Challenges: Rising seas, heat waves, floods, forest fires, droughts, and water shortages are the visible consequences of climate change. Fragile nations with water stress and weather pattern changes face the risk of economic collapse. The World Bank estimates a potential 200 million climate refugees by 2050, fueling populist resentment.
Greenhouse Gas Emissions: Three major greenhouse gases have seen a rise since the 1950s: carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxides. Current policies and pledges may lead to a 3-degree Celsius increase, potentially surpassing 550 parts per million. Historical records show that a 2.5-degree Celsius increase in temperature during the last warm period resulted in a 6 to 9-meter higher sea level. The full effects of climate change take time to manifest due to the slow mixing of ocean temperatures.
Renewable Energy Progress: There has been remarkable progress in the cost of renewable energies like concentrated solar, offshore wind, and photovoltaics. Levelized cost prices are becoming competitive with fossil fuels, but further price reduction is necessary.
Grid and Standby Power Challenges: The intermittent nature of renewables requires a grid capable of managing this generation and increased electrification. Standby power sources like natural gas and nuclear reactors are needed as backup.
Nuclear Reactors: The cost of nuclear reactors has increased, requiring on-budget and on-time construction. Small modular reactors (SMRs) offer the potential for factory production and enhanced budget control. SMRs can also generate hydrogen through electricity when not used for standby power.
Safety and Spent Fuel Concerns: Nuclear energy has a lower death rate per unit of energy generated compared to fossil fuels. Advances in remote drilling and deep borehole drilling reduce the probability of spent fuel issues.
Zero Greenhouse Gas Emissions: To limit temperature increase below 2.5 degrees Celsius, greenhouse gas emissions must reach zero before the end of the century. This requires eliminating emissions from various sectors, including steel production, concrete, plastics, chemicals, textiles, and the food supply chain. A shift from single-use to repairable and reusable products is necessary.
00:16:41 Innovative Building Materials for Energy Efficiency and Carbon Sequestration
Sustainable Buildings: In the United States, buildings are typically designed to last 50-60 years, while in China, they may be built in 40 years and demolished for new construction. The goal is to adopt a reuse mentality rather than a recycle mentality for buildings. Iconic commercial office buildings, such as the Empire State Building, Chrysler Building, and Chicago Merchandise Building, have been renovated at great expense to modernize their systems. Buildings can be constructed with shells that last hundreds of years while allowing for the renovation of heating, ventilation, cooling, building controls, and even toilets.
Wooden Buildings: Wooden buildings can also last for hundreds of years, especially in England. With proper processing, wooden structures can be made as fire-safe as steel and concrete structures. Wooden buildings can sequester carbon for 200 years, providing an incentive to grow more trees and reduce the use of steel and concrete.
Energy Storage: Energy storage is a significant challenge.
00:18:46 China's Ambitious Pumped Storage Expansion for Renewable Energy
Pumped Storage as a Key to Renewable Energy: A recent study showed that the US could achieve 80% renewable energy with wind, solar, and hydro, but it would require 2,000 times more battery storage than currently available. Pumped storage, lifting water up a hill, is the most prevalent electrical storage method, comprising 95% of global electrical storage. China leads the world in pumped storage, with 36 gigawatts of energy storage, and plans to increase this to 270 gigawatts.
Pumped Storage Advantages and Limitations: Pumped storage is cost-effective, especially when using existing dams. It requires an expanded transmission and distribution system. Not all regions have suitable geographical features for pumped storage.
Other Energy Storage Options: Compressed air storage has yet to gain traction due to certain challenges. Batteries are another option, but current costs are too high for large-scale applications. Chemical storage, specifically methane derived from captured CO2, is gaining attention as a potential alternative to chemical batteries.
Long-Term Storage Considerations: For long-term storage, chemical storage methods are being explored to avoid the inefficiencies of chemical batteries. Methane, derived from captured CO2, is a promising option for long-term energy storage.
00:22:45 Hydrogen and Chemical Batteries: Challenges and Opportunities
Hydrogen: Different colors of hydrogen exist, including gray, blue, and green. Gray hydrogen is produced from methane, releasing CO2, and is the dominant commercial source. Blue hydrogen involves capturing and sequestering CO2 from methane conversion. Green hydrogen is derived from renewable energy sources like nuclear, wind, or solar. Hydrogen prices vary depending on production methods and delivery to end-users. Efforts are ongoing to reduce the capital costs of electrolyzers and eliminate the use of precious materials. Solid oxide fuel cells can operate in reverse, enabling efficient hydrogen production from water. Hydrogen has leakage issues and acts as a greenhouse gas stabilizer for methane, making it 84 times worse than CO2. Remote sensing of hydrogen leaks is challenging due to the absence of effective detection methods. Hydrogen is crucial for decarbonizing industries like steel production, plastics, chemicals, and fertilizers.
Chemical Batteries: Chemical batteries, such as Tesla batteries, offer high energy density in terms of weight and volume. Energy density is projected to double by 2030 due to ongoing research and development. The manufacturing of batteries follows a learning curve, leading to cost reduction with increased production. Electrification is a key strategy for decarbonizing transportation, including long-haul trucks and airplanes. Battery swapping can potentially reduce charging time and increase vehicle utilization. Battery recycling and second-life applications are essential for sustainability.
00:28:21 Lithium Extraction, Battery Developments, and Potential Liquid Hydrocarbon Production
Learning Curve for Battery Technology: Batteries for electric vehicles have experienced a significant cost reduction over the years, following a learning curve. The cost of lithium-ion batteries dropped from over $2,000 per kilowatt-hour in 2000 to $100 in 2020. By 2030, the cost is projected to drop below $50 per kilowatt-hour, making EVs more affordable.
Addressing Potential Headwinds in Battery Production: Concerns about critical materials for EVs, such as nickel and cobalt, have arisen. The transition from manganese, nickel, cobalt batteries to iron phosphate batteries has occurred due to cost considerations. Research on extracting lithium from seawater shows promise in expanding the resource availability.
Improving Energy Density and Addressing Challenges: Iron phosphate batteries have lower energy density compared to lithium-ion batteries. Using lithium metal instead of lithium in a graphite anode can significantly increase the energy density. Challenges with lithium metal batteries include dendrite formation, which can cause short circuits. Research is ongoing to develop artificial layers that prevent dendrite formation and enable fast charging.
Hexagonal Boron Nitrite as a Potential Solution: Hexagonal boron nitrite (h-BN) has shown promise in facilitating lithium movement and preventing dendrite formation. Testing of lithium metal sulfur batteries with h-BN demonstrated stable performance for up to 300 cycles. Further research is needed to develop new electrolytes that prevent electrolyte degradation.
The Goal: Converting CO2 and Water into Liquid Hydrocarbons: The ultimate aim is to use clean energy to convert CO2 and water into liquid hydrocarbons, such as sustainable jet fuel. Liquid hydrocarbons offer high energy density and are particularly suitable for applications like jet fuel.
Transportation Costs of Crude Oil: The cost of shipping and storing crude oil in supertankers is negligible, making it an efficient means of intercontinental energy transmission. Liquefying renewable energy can enable its transportation around the world, similar to crude oil.
Conclusion: Stephen Chu’s discussion highlights the advancements and challenges in battery technology, the potential of extracting lithium from seawater, and the pursuit of sustainable energy solutions through the conversion of CO2 and water into liquid hydrocarbons.
00:35:11 Fourth Agricultural Revolution: Addressing Issues and Solutions
The Third Agricultural Revolution: Development of fertilizers based on the Hopper-Bosch process, revolutionizing food production. Fritz Hopper and Gerhard Erle’s Nobel Prizes for their contributions to the process.
Norman Borlaug and the Green Revolution: Norman Borlaug’s Nobel Peace Prize for his work on disease-resistant, high-yielding wheat strains. Global population growth from 3 billion to 7.4 billion between 1960 and 2016, without a corresponding increase in land under cereal production.
Challenges of Modern Agriculture: Energy used to produce fertilizers and methane and N2O emissions contribute to climate change.
The Fourth Agricultural Revolution: Need for a new agricultural revolution to address sustainability challenges.
Genetic Modification and Animal Breeding: Extensive modification of plants and animals for agricultural purposes. Examples of genetic modification in corn and rapid growth in livestock.
Environmental Impact of Beef Production: Beef has significantly higher greenhouse gas emissions compared to other food sources. Reducing beef consumption can positively impact personal carbon footprint.
Geoengineering in Agriculture: Agriculture is extensively geoengineered, with humans and livestock comprising 96% of mammal weight. Agriculture contributes to roughly half of methane and three-quarters of N2O emissions.
Organic Farming and Synthetic Biology: Organic farming is not a viable solution for the developing world due to low productivity. Synthetic biology offers potential solutions, such as introducing microbes to enhance plant nutrient uptake, reducing the need for fertilizers.
00:40:18 New Methods for Carbon Capture and Biomass Production
Pivot Bio and Gene Editing: Pivot Bio spent seven to eight years developing microbes to reduce the use of fertilizer, but the process was slow due to the limitations of altering only one gene at a time. Chu’s lab has recently discovered a method to introduce long pieces of DNA, allowing for DNA editing of multiple genes simultaneously. This breakthrough has the potential to revolutionize synthetic biology and contribute to the elimination of fertilizer usage.
Carbon Capture: Carbon capture is essential to mitigate climate change, as greenhouse gas levels continue to rise. Current carbon capture methods are expensive, but Mother Nature provides a solution through solar-powered photosynthesis.
Biomass and Crop Growth: Crops and plants capture 10 to 18 gigatons of biomass per year, which is a significant amount compared to the 50 gigatons of greenhouse gases emitted annually. Non-food crops can produce two to three times more biomass with minimal fertilizer input, offering a sustainable option for carbon capture.
Population Growth: The real issue of sustainability lies in population growth, which has accelerated significantly in the past million years. Overpopulation strains resources and exacerbates environmental challenges, making it a critical factor to address for long-term sustainability.
00:43:03 Declining Population and the Future of Economic Growth
Stephen Chu on Population Growth and Economic Prosperity: Chu highlights the potential dangers of relying on population growth for economic prosperity, comparing it to a Ponzi scheme. He emphasizes the need for a different measure of wealth, one that doesn’t rely on population growth or increased production.
Japan’s Approach to a Declining Population: Chu discusses Japan’s approach to addressing its declining population, including the development of robots for elder care and companionship. He emphasizes the importance of finding meaningful jobs for older individuals in a changing economy.
The Need for a New Model of Wealth: Chu calls for a new model of wealth that focuses on safety, health, vitality, and emotional connections. He critiques the Gross National Product (GNP) as a measure of wealth, arguing that it fails to capture important aspects of human well-being.
Integrating Technological Solutions with Climate Justice: Chu acknowledges the importance of addressing the systemic issues that contribute to the climate crisis. He suggests using resources to help developing countries achieve prosperity, leading to lower birth rates and a focus on quality of life.
Addressing the External Influence on Global Crisis: Chu responds to a question about the potential influence of external factors on global crisis, such as planetary or solar influences. He acknowledges the ongoing scientific investigation into these factors but emphasizes the current understanding that greenhouse gas effects are the primary cause of observed changes.
Leapfrogging to Clean Energy in the Global South: Chu discusses the need for leapfrogging mechanisms to enable developing countries to transition directly to clean energy sources. He highlights the importance of cheap energy and energy storage solutions, particularly for rural areas. Solar power and non-refrigerated batteries are seen as key technologies for achieving this leapfrogging.
Politics and Economics of Energy Transition: China’s rapid economic growth and poverty reduction have been fueled by access to energy, but its energy demand is still increasing despite efforts to transition away from fossil fuels. The economic power of the fossil fuel lobby, particularly in countries like Saudi Arabia, poses a challenge to the transition to sustainable energy.
Sustainable Growth vs. Degrowth: The concept of sustainable growth is discussed, with the speaker acknowledging that it may be seen as a form of degrowth. The speaker argues that degrowth is necessary to stay below a global temperature increase of three degrees Celsius.
Political Will and Economic Incentives: The speaker emphasizes the need for political will to drive the transition to sustainable energy. The Inflation Reduction Act in the United States provides financial incentives for carbon sequestration and hydrogen production, potentially benefiting oil companies.
Energy Consumption and Standard of Living: There is a wide variation in energy consumption between countries, with Japan aiming to reduce its energy consumption per person by twofold. The speaker suggests that the United States should reduce its energy consumption by five or sixfold to achieve sustainability.
Battery Storage Technologies: Sodium-ion batteries are discussed as a potential alternative to lithium-ion batteries for utility-scale energy storage. Sodium-ion batteries have advantages in terms of higher temperature tolerance and earth abundance.
COP28 and International Climate Pledges: COP28 is mentioned, but the speaker expresses skepticism about the effectiveness of international climate pledges. Many countries are not on track to meet their current pledges, and these pledges are still insufficient to limit global warming to three degrees Celsius. The recent Russia-Ukraine conflict has highlighted the short-term challenges of energy security, potentially overshadowing long-term climate goals.
01:02:17 The Urgency of Climate Action for Future Generations
Response to a Question About Technology and Engineering Brainpower: There is a growing number of younger people who are passionate about addressing the climate problem, including through science, engineering, political science, and other fields. These younger people are motivated by a sense of urgency and a desire to make a difference, as they feel that previous generations have not done enough to address the climate crisis.
Chu’s Challenge to Politicians: Chu encourages young people to speak out and hold their parents, grandparents, and politicians accountable for inaction on climate change. He suggests imagining a scenario where, on their deathbed, a grandchild asks them why they did not do more to address the climate problem.
Conclusion: Chu’s lecture ends on a powerful note, challenging politicians to take action on climate change and consider the consequences of their inaction for future generations.
Abstract
The Urgent Imperative of Sustainable Development: Addressing Climate Change and Beyond
Introduction to Professor Stephen Hsu’s Lecture
Professor Stephen Hsu, a Nobel Laureate in physics, has made significant contributions to various fields of science and technology. His current research focuses on molecular and cell physiology, medical imaging, nanoparticle synthesis, and battery research. He also served as the U.S. Secretary of Energy under President Obama, where he played a key role in implementing clean energy policies and addressing climate change. Hsu is a distinguished member of several prestigious scientific societies and has been recognized through numerous patents, publications, and honorary degrees.
The U.S.-UK scientific relationship is crucial for addressing global challenges such as clean energy, fossil fuel dependence, and climate change. In 2021, the science academies of the Group of Seven issued recommendations to the G7 government on these issues, emphasizing the need for collaboration and action.
Public Service and Recognition
Professor Hsu, during his time as the U.S. Secretary of Energy under President Obama, was instrumental in directing efforts towards the development of clean energy, reducing foreign oil dependence, tackling climate change, and fostering job creation. His contributions to the scientific community are marked by his membership in several prestigious scientific societies, and he has been honored with numerous patents, publications, and honorary degrees.
Policy Recommendations for Achieving Net-Zero Emissions
Emphasizing the critical need for international collaboration among scientists, economists, and social scientists, Professor Hsu advocates for the development of technology roadmaps to achieve net-zero emissions. He highlights the importance of public and private investment in overcoming research and development challenges and the necessity of policy packages that incentivize carbon-neutral options.
Stephen Hsu’s Lecture on Climate Change
In his lecture on climate change, Professor Hsu discusses the alarming consequences, including rising sea levels, extreme weather events, and the potential for economic collapse. He emphasizes the importance of renewable energy technologies and the role of nuclear reactors in achieving net-zero emissions. Furthermore, he addresses the challenges in sectors like steel production, concrete, and agriculture, underscoring the need for sustainable practices.
Building Longevity and Energy Storage Challenges
The concept of building longevity is explored, comparing traditional Chinese buildings with modern Western structures. Additionally, the challenges in energy storage are addressed, focusing on technologies such as pumped storage, compressed air storage, and batteries.
Pumped storage is highlighted as a key solution for achieving 80% renewable energy in the US with wind, solar, and hydro, but it faces the challenge of needing 2,000 times more battery storage than currently available. Comprising 95% of global electrical storage, pumped storage is most prevalent in China, which leads in this technology. Despite its cost-effectiveness, especially when using existing dams, it requires an expanded transmission and distribution system and is limited by geographical suitability. Alternatives like compressed air storage, batteries, and chemical storage are also considered.
Hydrogen and Fuel Cells
Professor Hsu’s discussion covers various types of hydrogengray, blue, and greenand their production, leakage, and environmental impact challenges. He also delves into advancements in fuel cells, including reversible and solid oxide fuel cells.
Chemical Batteries and Learning Curve
Advancements in chemical batteries are explored, focusing on their energy density, cost reduction, and the challenges associated with EV battery materials. Lithium metal batteries are discussed for their potential to increase energy density, along with the challenges they present.
Different colors of hydrogen, including gray, blue, and green, are examined. Gray hydrogen, predominantly produced from methane, releases CO2, while blue hydrogen involves CO2 capture and sequestration. Green hydrogen is derived from renewable energy sources. Chemical batteries, like Tesla batteries, are noted for their high energy density, which is projected to double by 2030. The learning curve in battery manufacturing leads to cost reductions with increased production. Battery swapping, recycling, and second-life applications are deemed essential for sustainability.
Sustainable Agriculture and Gene Editing Advancements
The role of agriculture in sustainability is highlighted, focusing on synthetic biology and gene editing advancements to reduce fertilizer usage and greenhouse gas emissions. The importance of carbon capture and natural photosynthesis as a carbon sink is also discussed.
The Third Agricultural Revolution brought about the development of fertilizers through the Hopper-Bosch process, which revolutionized food production. Nobel Prizes were awarded to Fritz Hopper and Gerhard Erle for their contributions. The Green Revolution, led by Norman Borlaug, who won the Nobel Peace Prize, involved the development of disease-resistant, high-yielding wheat strains. This revolution enabled the global population to grow from 3 billion to 7.4 billion between 1960 and 2016 without a corresponding increase in land under cereal production.
Modern agriculture faces challenges related to energy consumption for fertilizer production and methane and N2O emissions contributing to climate change. A new agricultural revolution is needed to address sustainability challenges. Genetic modification and animal breeding have extensively modified plants and animals for agricultural purposes, with examples in corn and livestock. The environmental impact of beef production is significant, with higher greenhouse gas emissions compared to other food sources. Reducing beef consumption can positively impact personal carbon footprints.
Geoengineering in agriculture has resulted in humans and livestock comprising 96% of mammal weight and contributing to roughly half of methane and three-quarters of N2O emissions. Organic farming, while not a viable solution for the developing world due to low productivity, contrasts with the potential solutions offered by synthetic biology, such as introducing microbes to enhance plant nutrient uptake, reducing the need for fertilizers.
Population Growth and Sustainability
The challenges posed by population growth on sustainability are examined, along with the technological solutions and the need to redefine wealth in terms of well-being and quality of life. The article also touches on external factors influencing climate change and the opportunity for developing countries to leapfrog to clean energy.
Challenges to Sustainable Growth and Long-Term Goals
The article addresses the challenges posed by China’s rapid economic growth, the influence of fossil fuel lobbies, and the concept of degrowth. It also discusses the potential of sodium-ion batteries and the challenges facing the upcoming COP28 climate conference.
Population, Growth, and Wealth: Perspectives from Stephen Chu
Stephen Chu highlights the potential dangers of relying on population growth for economic prosperity, likening it to a Ponzi scheme. He suggests a new measure of wealth that focuses on safety, health, vitality, and emotional connections rather than population growth or increased production. Discussing Japan’s approach to its declining population, he mentions the development of robots for elder care and the importance of finding meaningful jobs for older individuals. Chu also addresses the influence of external factors on the global crisis, emphasizing the primary cause as greenhouse gas effects, and discusses the importance of leapfrogging mechanisms for developing countries to transition to clean energy.
Politics and Economics of Energy Transition
China’s rapid economic growth, powered by access to energy, is contrasted with its increasing energy demand despite transitioning from fossil fuels. The economic power of the fossil fuel lobby, especially in countries like Saudi Arabia, poses a challenge to sustainable energy transition.
Sustainable Growth vs. Degrowth
The concept of sustainable growth, seen as a form of degrowth, is necessary to stay below a global temperature increase of three degrees Celsius.
Political Will and Economic Incentives
The need for political will to drive the transition to sustainable energy is emphasized, with the Inflation Reduction Act in the United States providing financial incentives for carbon sequestration and hydrogen production.
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