Nassim Nicholas Taleb (Scholar Investor) – Nassim Taleb Interviewed by Naval Ravikant (Full) (Oct 2018)


Chapters

00:00:21 Skin in the Game: Knowledge Acquisition through Practical Experience
00:02:51 The Ludic Fallacy: The Problem of Expert Knowledge
00:10:47 Avoiding the Expert Problem: The Importance of Skin in the Game
00:15:35 Consequences of Hidden Risk: The Bob Rubin Trade
00:20:25 Symmetry in Society: Risk, Responsibility, and Justice
00:28:17 Costly Signaling and Risk-Taking: The Nature of True Virtues
00:31:10 The Significance of Real Risk-Taking in Entrepreneurship and the Flaws of Virtual
00:35:25 Evaluating Opportunity and Inequality
00:41:38 Skin in the Game: Symmetry, Asymmetry, and Optionality
00:50:42 Understanding Complex Concepts: Convexity, Fragility, and the Lindy Effect
00:55:20 Lindying Technologies
00:57:46 Cryptocurrency and Minority Rule
01:01:28 Minority Rule: Its Impact on Society and Marketing
01:04:52 Minorities and the Influence of Asymmetries in Society
01:09:11 Minority Rule: Its Power and Challenges
01:12:42 Understanding Ergodicity and Minority Rule in Complex Systems
01:15:27 Exploring the Dynamics of Decision-Making: Beyond Static Psychological Studies
01:18:56 How to Make Better Decisions in an Uncertain World

Abstract

Navigating Complexity: Lessons from Trading to Theology

Drawing insights from various fields, this article delves into the limitations of theoretical models, the problems of peer-approved professions, and the significance of practical experience, emphasizing the importance of real-world experience over theoretical knowledge. Kashish, a former trader turned academic, introduces the concept of “skin in the game” related to knowledge acquisition and actions. The article explores how symmetry, risk, and experience play pivotal roles in various sectors, from economics to theology.

The Expert Problem and Skin in the Game

Kashish, an experienced trader turned academic, introduces the “ludic fallacy,” which highlights the gap between theoretical randomness and real-life unpredictability. In transitioning from trading to academia, Kashish underscores the complexities of practical experience over theoretical knowledge. The expert problem arises when professionals in peer-reviewed fields like journalism and academia lack accountability to real-world outcomes, unlike those in directly measurable professions like plumbing. The concept of “skin in the game” is exemplified by pilots, whose direct accountability contrasts sharply with economists’ lack of personal stakes in their predictions.

In ancient times, Hammurabi’s law played a critical role in preventing risk hiding in architecture. Architects faced severe consequences, even death, if their buildings collapsed due to negligence, ensuring accountability and discouraging reckless practices. In the realm of science, the process is focused on disproving rather than proving theories, where consensus holds little weight against a single counterexample. This system protects the minority that is right against the majority, promoting a culture of thorough questioning and rigorous validation.

Symmetry in Society and Leadership

The principle of symmetry in leadership, where leaders bear the consequences of their actions along with their people, has been vital throughout history. This principle served as a natural regulator, with leaders like Hannibal and Roman emperors taking physical risks alongside their people, fostering a culture of shared responsibility and accountability. This concept is further illustrated by societal norms that emphasize balance, as seen in the Golden Rule, which encourages positive actions. However, the Silver Rule, which focuses on refraining from harmful actions, provides a more robust framework for harmonious interactions.

Minority Rule and Societal Influence

Kashish illustrates the power of minority rule, where a small but steadfast group can significantly influence the majority’s choices, as seen in examples like kosher food production and marketing strategies. This phenomenon underscores how minority preferences can shape broader societal norms, including ethical standards and consumer choices. The creation of Bitcoin by Satoshi Nakamoto, motivated by a desire for a trustworthy system in response to bank bailouts, exemplifies this concept. Bitcoin aimed to prevent risk hiding and eliminate reliance on bailouts, marking a pivotal moment in financial history.

Black Swans and the Uncertainty of Decision-Making

The concept of black swan events underscores the limitations of static analysis in decision-making and the importance of embracing uncertainty. By focusing on maximizing upside potential, one can navigate complex systems more effectively. This aligns with the need for dynamic analysis in risk management, where past experiences inform current decisions. The notion of Zahavian signaling, seen in the elaborate tails of peacocks, shows that costly signaling can convey strength and genetic superiority. In theology, the nature of Christ’s divinity and his ability to suffer, given his divine status, has been a subject of intense debate, tying back to the concept of skin in the game.

Bitcoin and Asymmetric Bets

Bitcoin represents an asymmetric bet with limited downside risk but significant upside potential, likened to digital gold. Its convex nature allows for more upside gains than downside losses, demonstrating anti-fragility as it strengthens with each survived challenge. Shorting cryptocurrencies, on the other hand, is a concave trade with limited upside and significant downside risk, as illustrated by Paul Krugman’s short position. The New York Times bestseller list’s inclusion of “Skin in the Game” without any reviews in the U.S. reflects the irrelevance of awards in investing, where the true reward lies in profitable investments. Ergodicity, the examination of average system behavior over time, emphasizes the importance of dynamic analysis for understanding concepts in a complex world.

The Lindy Effect and News

The Lindy effect suggests that entities with a long past have a long future. The evolution of news dissemination, from a decentralized system before the 1940s to a controlled landscape between 1946 and 2016, was disrupted by the rise of social media platforms like Twitter.

Money and God

The article discusses the preference of ancient temple authorities for the stable shekel of Tyre and how governments historically debased currencies, leading to a variety of choices for citizens. This ties into the concept of God choosing the least debased currency. Past dependence and dynamic thinking influence decision-making, as seen in the tendency to be risk-averse based on past experiences. Traditional psychology and economics often analyze decisions statically, potentially leading to incorrect conclusions about human behavior.

Crypto and State Separation

The separation of money from the state, as aimed by cryptocurrencies, could have an impact comparable to the separation of church from state. The competition between cryptocurrencies echoes the historical competition between different currencies.

Minority Rule

Minority rule highlights how a small group’s steadfast adherence to their beliefs can influence societal norms and preferences, leading to widespread adoption of practices accommodating minority needs. This concept is evident in Kashish’s anecdote about kosher drinks at an American barbecue, where a small percentage of the population influences the majority’s choices.

Conclusion

The insights from Kashish, along with principles like symmetry, minority rule, and the importance of real-world experience, provide valuable lessons for navigating the complexities of the modern world. Risk-taking is seen as a virtue, demonstrating commitment and competence. True virtue requires genuine risk and sacrifice, as exemplified by the debate around Christ’s nature. The prevalence of fake virtual signaling in today’s society, especially among NGOs and corporations, contrasts with the encouragement of entrepreneurship and the authenticity seen in figures like Trump. The article concludes by emphasizing the importance of dynamic risk management and decision-making under uncertainty, the replication crisis in psychology, and the complexity of large-scale systems.


Notes by: Flaneur