Larry Fink (BlackRock Co-founder) – Conversation with Moody’s President (Dec 2021)
Chapters
00:00:08 The Responsibility and Collaboration to Achieve Net Zero Emission
Responsibility for Driving Business and Climate Down to Net Zero: No single group or component is responsible for driving business and climate down to net zero. Collaboration among governments, companies, asset owners, and regulators is essential. Public companies are moving rapidly towards transparency in their decarbonization efforts. Asset owners play a significant role in demanding transparency from companies they have ownership in. Regulators in Europe and the United States are demanding more transparency in reporting companies’ pathways to net zero. The focus should be on moving all of society forward to avoid polarization and ensure a fair and just decarbonized world.
Challenges in Achieving Net Zero: Discrepancy in transparency and disclosure of climate-related information among companies. Lack of credible net zero plans and standardization of decarbonization pathways. Trillions of dollars of capital need to be allocated for carbon transition, requiring a clear understanding of credible plans. The need for a comprehensive understanding of the impact of various climate scenarios on businesses.
Physical Risks of Climate Change: Insured losses from extreme weather events have reached 400 billion over the last 30 years. Uninsured losses from climate change have amounted to 1.3 trillion over the same period. Companies face business interruption, supply chain disruption, and changes in customer demand due to climate change. Banks are exposed to climate risk through loans secured by properties vulnerable to climate impacts. Governments need to understand the vulnerability of their communities to climate change and invest in climate resilience.
Transition Risk: 70% of the world’s economy is covered by net zero commitments, but only 20% of these plans are credible. Understanding and distinguishing between credible and weak net zero plans is crucial for allocating capital effectively. Companies need to disclose changes in business strategy, investments in research and development, and the risk of regulatory changes related to carbon transition. Standardization of decarbonization pathways for different industries is necessary to assess companies’ progress towards net zero.
Translation of Climate Risk into Financial Risk: Financial institutions are seeking ways to understand the risk of financial loss from climate change. Moody’s is isolating the impact of environmental, social, and governance (ESG) factors when assessing credit ratings. Moody’s offers risk management products to help companies and investors assess climate-related risks in their portfolios.
COP26 Achievements and Challenges: 450 banks, asset managers, and insurers agreed to have net zero portfolios by 2050 at COP26. Resolving the permitting process in the developing world is crucial for accelerating the transition to net zero. Truncating the permitting process to 18 months can attract more capital and reduce the degradation of holding periods. There is a need for new technologies to bring down the green premium and make decarbonization more affordable. Sequestering hydrocarbons is essential as we won’t eliminate all hydrocarbons in the transition to net zero. The pandemic demonstrated the power of collaboration between governments, businesses, and scientists to solve big problems.
00:10:41 Incentivizing & Regulating Green Investment
Collective Responsibility: Collaborative effort required to address climate change involving private sector, public sector, and governments.
GFAN Commitments: Global financial institutions pledged approximately $130 trillion in assets to align their portfolios with net zero emissions by 2050.
The Role of Regulation and Disclosure: Smart policies and regulations needed, starting with disclosure to improve data quality and insights for informed decision-making.
Unintended Consequences: Energy transition can have unintended consequences, leading to winners and losers.
Minimizing Pain for Marginalized Entities: Addressing the needs of marginalized entities during the transition to sustainable energy is crucial. Ensuring affordability, considering geographical factors, and supporting entities dependent on fossil fuels are important considerations.
00:13:03 Bridging the Brown to Green Divide: Financing Climate Transition in the Emerging World
Emerging Markets and Climate Finance: Larry Fink emphasizes the need to reimagine the IMF and World Bank to facilitate private capital investment in emerging markets for climate infrastructure. He suggests a model where the IMF and World Bank provide senior financing, backed by equity owners, allowing private participants to offer cheaper financing rates. Rob Fauber highlights the financial vulnerability of countries with high climate risk, limiting their capacity to invest in adaptation and carbon transition.
Shades of Brown to Green: The transition from high-carbon industries to a net-zero world will be gradual, involving stages of progress from dark brown to light green. Stranded assets, communities, and workers can result from a rapid shift, hindering political support for the transition. Fink emphasizes the need for a balanced approach, bringing carbon-intensive industries along rather than leaving them behind.
ESG 2.0: Beyond Risk Mitigation: ESG 2.0 encompasses both risk mitigation and opportunity identification. Fink discusses a report indicating $45 trillion in economic opportunity in the transition to a net-zero world, particularly in emerging markets. Investors can align their portfolios with this transition to generate returns while contributing to positive change.
Climate-Resilient Infrastructure: BlackRock, in collaboration with the French and German governments, launched a public-private infrastructure fund to finance climate-resilient projects in emerging markets. The fund utilizes a blended financing model, combining senior government financing with private credit, to provide cheaper financing rates. This model can be replicated by the IMF and World Bank to attract private capital and accelerate climate infrastructure development in emerging economies.
Stranded Assets and the Need for a Balanced Transition: A rapid transition from brown to green could lead to stranded assets, stranded communities, and stranded workers, creating political headwinds and slowing progress. Fink and Fauber advocate for a balanced and inclusive transition that considers the economic and social implications of climate policies. They emphasize the importance of supporting carbon-intensive industries in their transition, enabling them to adapt and contribute to the low-carbon economy.
00:19:54 Changing Corporate Strategies in Response to Evolving Risk Landscapes
ESG and Climate Integration in Financial Markets: ESG and climate factors are increasingly integrated into risk management and investment decisions. ESG risks are moving from separate considerations to holistic assessments of an organization’s performance and risk profile.
Importance of Stakeholder Capitalism: Stakeholder capitalism emphasizes the well-being of all stakeholders, including employees, clients, and communities. Companies that prioritize stakeholder interests demonstrate more durable profitability and attract top talent.
Understanding the “S” in ESG: The social aspect of ESG gained prominence during the pandemic, highlighting the importance of employee treatment and social issues. Investors and employees demand transparency and insight into companies’ DE&I commitments and workforce diversity.
Framework for Integrating S into Credit and Financial Risk: A framework is developed to assess the impact of social factors on credit and financial risk. Public sector analysis considers demographics and population growth effects on government spending and social safety nets.
Optimism for Collaborative Solutions: Despite divergences in approaches, there is optimism that collective efforts can prevent potential catastrophes. Technological advancements and entrepreneurialism drive innovation and transformation.
The Challenge of Carbon Transition in Industries: Automotive manufacturers show significant progress in carbon transition, driven by customer demand for electric vehicles. However, challenges remain in carbon-intensive industries like oil and gas, with many companies unprepared for the transition.
Maintaining Momentum for Sustainable Change: Continued peer pressure is necessary to ensure stakeholders are held accountable for their ESG commitments and transition efforts. The growing presence of young people in the workforce pushes for a less threatening future and motivates progress.
Bridging the Gap between Public Companies and Society: There is a growing gap between the ESG expectations for public companies and the rest of society. Addressing this gap is crucial to prevent polarization and ensure a fair and just transition, especially in emerging markets.
00:32:00 Business Opportunities and Challenges Arising from Environmental Concerns
Collateral Damage of Inaction: Moving too slowly in addressing climate change can lead to collateral damage, including economic and environmental consequences.
Generation Opportunity: The scale of the economic and investment opportunity in addressing climate change is enormous, attracting capital and mobilizing innovation.
Partnership for Data and Analytics: Collaboration is essential to obtain data, develop analytics, and enhance transparency, enabling informed decision-making.
Insights for Better Decisions: Access to data and analytics can provide insights for individuals and organizations to make better and more informed decisions.
Abstract
Navigating the Transition to a Sustainable Future: The Imperative of Collective Action and Innovation
In the increasingly pressing battle against climate change, the role of financial institutions and global collaboration has never been more critical. This article synthesizes insights from a fireside chat with Rob Fauber and Larry Fink, along with other expert analyses, to explore the multifaceted challenges and opportunities presented by the transition to a net-zero economy.
A Collective March Towards Net Zero
At the forefront of this journey is the undeniable truth that achieving net zero is not a solitary endeavor. It requires an integrated effort from businesses, governments, and financial institutions, underpinned by transparency and accountability. The risks posed by climate change, including physical dangers and transitional adjustments in business operations, demand a concerted and standardized approach, especially in climate-related disclosures. This need for collaboration extends to the field of financial institutions, which are increasingly recognizing their responsibility to manage climate-related risks within their portfolios. Moreover, asset owners play a significant role in demanding transparency from companies they hold ownership in.
COP26: A Milestone in Global Climate Commitment
A landmark achievement in this collective journey was witnessed at COP26, where over 450 banks, asset managers, and insurers pledged to align their portfolios with net-zero emissions by 2050. This commitment underscores the need to overcome obstacles such as permitting delays in renewable energy projects and the high costs associated with green technologies. The pandemic has further highlighted the effectiveness of collaboration and public-private partnerships in addressing complex global challenges.
The Dichotomy of Transition: Opportunities and Unintended Consequences
The path to a sustainable future is laden with both opportunities and challenges. The transformation to clean energy, while necessary, may result in winners and losers, potentially marginalizing certain sectors. Tesla’s success in electric cars exemplifies the potential for disruption and innovation in this space. However, addressing the needs of those adversely affected by this transition is critical to ensuring an inclusive and just transformation.
Emerging Markets and Financial Vulnerability
The responsibility of developed countries in facilitating this transition cannot be overstated, especially concerning emerging markets that require equitable solutions. Reimagining the roles of institutions like the IMF and World Bank is essential to enable the flow of private capital for sustainable practices. Moreover, over a third of rated sovereign countries, highly vulnerable to climate risks, face financial constraints in investing in climate adaptation and transition, highlighting the need for global support.
The Reality of a Just Transition
A rapid shift from traditional energy sources to green alternatives is an unrealistic expectation. A more feasible approach involves a gradual transition through various stages of energy development. This journey must balance the need for environmental preservation with the economic realities of carbon-intensive industries, considering the potential creation of stranded assets, communities, and workers.
ESG 2.0: The Evolving Landscape of Risk and Investment
The integration of environmental, social, and governance (ESG) considerations into risk management represents a paradigm shift in the investment world. The recognition of $45 trillion in potential economic value from sustainable investments illustrates the evolving nature of ESG from mere risk mitigation to opportunity identification. The social component of ESG, in particular, has gained prominence, with investors seeking transparency and accountability in corporate social practices.
Stakeholder Capitalism and the Expanding Scope of Corporate Risks
Stakeholder capitalism is emerging as a key driver in sustainable business practices, emphasizing the well-being of all stakeholders, including employees, customers, and communities. This approach is proving to be not only ethical but also profitable. Additionally, the integration of social factors into financial risk assessment is gaining momentum, with frameworks developed to quantify social impacts.
The Path Forward: Collaboration, Inclusivity, and Innovation
To effectively combat climate change and transition to a sustainable future, collaboration across sectors is imperative. Emerging economies outside of China, responsible for a significant portion of the global carbon footprint, require support in this transition. The shift to a low-carbon economy is not only an environmental imperative but also a generational opportunity for economic growth and investment. The role of data, analytics, and transparency in this process cannot be overstated, as they provide the foundation for informed decision-making.
ESG and Climate Integration in Financial Markets:
ESG and climate factors are increasingly integrated into risk management and investment decisions. ESG risks are moving from separate considerations to holistic assessments of an organization’s performance and risk profile.
Importance of Stakeholder Capitalism:
Stakeholder capitalism emphasizes the well-being of all stakeholders, including employees, clients, and communities. Companies that prioritize stakeholder interests demonstrate more durable profitability and attract top talent.
Shades of Brown to Green:
The transition from high-carbon industries to a net-zero world will be gradual, involving stages of progress from dark brown to light green. Stranded assets, communities, and workers can result from a rapid shift, hindering political support for the transition. A balanced approach, bringing carbon-intensive industries along rather than leaving them behind, is necessary.
Climate-Resilient Infrastructure:
To address the financial vulnerability of countries with high climate risk, a model involving senior financing from the IMF and World Bank, backed by equity owners, can enable private participants to offer cheaper financing rates. This model can be replicated to attract private capital and accelerate climate infrastructure development in emerging economies.
Addressing Climate Change Collectively:
A collaborative effort involving the private sector, public sector, and governments is crucial to address climate change. Global financial institutions have pledged approximately $130 trillion in assets to align their portfolios with net zero emissions by 2050. Smart policies and regulations are needed, starting with disclosure to improve data quality and insights for informed decision-making.
In conclusion, the journey towards a sustainable, net-zero future is fraught with challenges but also abundant in opportunities. It necessitates a collaborative, inclusive, and innovative approach, where financial institutions, governments, and society at large work together towards a common goal. The evolution of ESG considerations and the integration of climate risks into investment strategies are pivotal in this endeavor, marking a significant step in the right direction for global sustainability efforts.
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