Jennifer Doudna (UC Berkeley Professor) – Career Discussion and Q&A | SciLifeLab Stockholm (Oct 2020)
Chapters
00:00:09 Jennifer Doudna's Journey into the World of Science and Discovery
Background and Childhood: Jennifer Doudna grew up in Hawaii, which had a rich natural environment that sparked her curiosity about the unique properties of plants and animals on the islands. She was influenced by her father, a literature professor who loved reading and science and introduced her to Jim Watson’s “The Double Helix,” which fascinated her with the story of DNA discovery.
High School and Discovery of Science: In high school, Doudna had a chemistry teacher, Miss Wong, who taught her that science is not about memorization but about the process of discovery and figuring things out. She started to imagine a future in science, even though she didn’t know any scientists personally.
College and Biochemistry: Doudna attended Pomona College, a liberal arts college in California, where she pursued a program in biochemistry. She initially struggled with chemistry classes but eventually found her passion in organic chemistry.
Struggles and Persistence: Doudna faced challenges in college, particularly in her first year, but she persevered and discovered her love for organic chemistry in her second year.
00:09:16 Journey of a Scientist: From Biochemistry to CRISPR
Passion for Chemistry: Dr. Jennifer Doudna had a strong passion for chemistry and enjoyed solving problems. She found the process of synthesizing compounds and analyzing their physical properties fascinating.
Lab Work Experience: During her junior year of college, she got the opportunity to work in a research lab for the summer. She worked on a project involving Myxococcus xanthus, a bacterium that undergoes a developmental pathway when starved.
Research Question: The research aimed to understand the chemical mechanisms involved in the developmental pathway of Myxococcus xanthus. The focus was on how cells communicate with each other to form fruiting bodies when facing nutrient-limited conditions.
Experimental Approach: The initial step involved growing a large culture of Myxococcus xanthus cells to induce fruiting body formation. The cells were grown on large baking pans, but the technician had been unsuccessful in achieving successful growth.
Collaboration and Problem-Solving: Dr. Doudna worked with the technician to troubleshoot the growth conditions and optimize the culture method. They experimented with different growth media and conditions to find the optimal combination for successful fruiting body formation.
00:12:25 From Beginner's Luck to the Center of Things
Early Success in Science: Jennifer Doudna’s first successful experiment involved growing cells in a baking pan using an auger. The unexpected positive outcome motivated her to pursue further scientific endeavors.
Pursuing a PhD: Doudna decided to pursue a PhD in order to continue her scientific studies. She applied to several universities, including Harvard Medical School, and was accepted into their graduate program. Doudna was drawn to Harvard’s reputation and the opportunity to be part of a renowned research community.
Seeking Connections and Inspiration: Her professor encouraged Doudna to attend Harvard, emphasizing the networking opportunities and access to leading research facilities in Boston. Coming from a small town in Hawaii, Doudna was excited about the prospect of being at the center of scientific innovation and collaboration.
00:15:26 The Value of Mentorship in Scientific Discovery
Background on Jennifer Doudna: Doudna joined Jack Szostak’s lab at Harvard University as a 21-year-old graduate student. Szostak was a renowned scientist and professor, 12 years older than Doudna.
Szostak’s Approach to Research: Szostak was passionate about his work and highly regarded for his genius. He encouraged independence and creativity in his lab members, giving them freedom to pursue their own interests. He was enthusiastic about discussing ideas and results with his students, generating excitement and stimulating further exploration.
Doudna’s Research Topic: Doudna focused on ribozymes, RNA molecules with catalytic properties, to study self-replication and self-replicating systems. She aimed to understand how these RNA molecules could potentially give rise to more complex life forms on early Earth.
Doudna’s Interaction with Szostak: Szostak approached Doudna with an idea for an experiment related to her project. Doudna was surprised and impressed that Szostak valued her opinion as a graduate student. They engaged in a discussion, debating and exchanging ideas openly, with Szostak being receptive to Doudna’s suggestions.
Significance of the Interaction: This moment was pivotal for Doudna, making her feel valued and intellectually validated. It instilled in her a sense of confidence and the importance of open and collaborative scientific discourse. Doudna emphasizes the value of seeking mentors who encourage and respect the opinions of their students.
00:19:32 Creating an Inclusive Environment for Innovation
Inclusive Culture for Team Success: A psychologist’s study at Google revealed that teams with inclusive cultures were consistently more successful. The key factor was not the experience or type of team members but the culture that enabled every member to contribute.
Diverse Contributions: Teams benefit from contributions from people with diverse backgrounds and experience levels. Fresh perspectives, even from less experienced team members, can lead to valuable insights and ideas.
Mentors’ Role in Validation and Encouragement: Mentors should validate and encourage younger individuals, making them feel their views matter. This creates a positive and supportive environment that fosters innovation and growth.
Personal Validation and Contribution: Doudna emphasizes the importance of feeling validated and enabled to contribute. She stresses the value of diverse contributions, including those from less experienced individuals.
Doudna’s Research Journey: Doudna’s graduate research focused on ribozymes and catalytic RNA. Her work involved studying self-splicing intron RNAs and modifying their chemical activity for specific functions. This research laid the foundation for her later work on CRISPR-Cas9 gene editing.
00:22:50 From RNA Structures to CRISPR: A Pioneering Journey
Background and Motivation: Jennifer Doudna’s work in graduate school focused on RNA molecules, but she was frustrated by the lack of structural information about these molecules. At the time, it was debated whether RNA molecules could have defined three-dimensional structures.
Crystallizing RNA: Doudna had the idea to crystallize RNA molecules, similar to how proteins were crystallized, in order to study their structures. Despite skepticism from many colleagues, she decided to pursue this challenging project.
Choice of Lab: Doudna chose to do her postdoctoral research in Tom Cech’s lab in Boulder, Colorado, known for its expertise in RNA biochemistry. She believed that purifying and crystallizing RNA molecules would be a biochemical challenge, and she wanted to work in the best possible lab for this task.
Success and Challenges: Doudna and her colleagues eventually succeeded in crystallizing RNA molecules, but it was a long and challenging process. They encountered many obstacles, including crystals that decayed rapidly in the x-ray beam.
Tom Steitz’s Contribution: During her postdoctoral research, Doudna met Tom Steitz, who introduced her to a new method called cryo-cooling, which was being developed to study fragile crystals of the ribosome. This method proved to be successful in helping Doudna and her colleagues obtain high-quality crystals of RNA molecules.
Significance: Doudna’s work on crystallizing RNA molecules was a major breakthrough, as it allowed researchers to study the structures of these molecules in detail. This knowledge has been essential for understanding the role of RNA in various biological processes and has contributed to the development of new therapeutic approaches.
00:29:05 Triumphs and Turning Points in Structural Biology Research
Collaboration and Technical Success: Doudna collaborated with a technician from Boulder and David Gerizalmi at Yale to attempt a technically challenging experiment involving cryo-cooling a crystal and exposing it to an X-ray beam. The experiment resulted in successful three angstrom diffraction, a significant achievement at the time.
Moment of Discovery: The successful diffraction experiment was a pivotal moment for Doudna, instilling a sense of awe and excitement about the possibilities of her research.
Phase Problem Resolution: Doudna and her team worked on solving the phase problem, which involved using osmium hexamine to phase ribosome crystals. This collaboration with other researchers on the same floor led to breakthroughs in phasing both ribosome and other crystals.
Curiosity-Driven Research: Doudna emphasized the importance of curiosity-driven and question-driven science as the driving force behind her research endeavors.
Transition from Chemistry to Synthetic Biology and Genetics: The question was raised about Doudna’s transition from chemistry to synthetic biology and genetics. Doudna’s response to this question was not provided in the transcript.
00:32:43 From Structural Biology to Genetics and Synthetic Biology: A Journey of Scientific Exploration
Changing Research Direction: Dr. Jennifer Doudna transitioned her research focus from chemistry and biochemistry to genetics and synthetic biology during her time at Yale University. She felt a growing disconnect between her molecular studies and advancements in genetics and cell biology. The desire to make her work more relevant to biology motivated this shift.
Finding Inspiration at Berkeley: An opportunity arose when Dr. Doudna was offered a position at the University of California, Berkeley. Berkeley’s diverse academic environment and interdisciplinary nature attracted her. The potential for collaboration and learning new fields, such as genetics and cell biology, appealed to her.
The Serendipitous Discovery of CRISPR: The CRISPR project emerged unexpectedly and originated from a geologist, Dr. Jill Banfield. Dr. Banfield’s research on bacterial genome sequences led her to identify CRISPR systems. This discovery sparked Dr. Doudna’s interest and prompted her to explore the potential of CRISPR as an RNA-guided immune system.
Building Expertise and Collaborating: Dr. Doudna gradually built expertise in genetics and cell biology through collaborations and attracting experienced researchers to her lab. Her lab expanded its research scope to include mouse genetics, animal protocols, and work with cultured cells.
Approaching Uncharted Territories: Dr. Doudna frequently encountered situations where she delved into uncharted scientific territories. When tackling such challenges, she emphasized the importance of not having a pre-existing scientific community. This lack of preconceived notions allowed her to approach problems with an open mind and explore innovative solutions.
00:37:08 Perseverance and Thriving in Uncertainty: Lessons from Scientific Leaders
Navigating Uncharted Territories: Embracing risks, taking calculated leaps, and persisting despite skepticism are crucial for scientific advancements. Passion and unwavering determination are essential driving forces in pursuing challenging endeavors. The excitement of exploring the unknown and the potential impact of breakthroughs often outweighs the fear of failure.
Finding Joy in the Challenges: Scientific exploration is most fulfilling when pushing boundaries and venturing into uncharted territories. The thrill of tackling daunting challenges and the anticipation of groundbreaking discoveries bring immense satisfaction. The comfort zone of predictable outcomes can hinder the excitement and fulfillment found in pursuing ambitious goals.
Staying Grounded Amidst Success: Amidst overwhelming success, staying grounded in the fundamentals of science and the impact on society is crucial. Focusing on the joy of mentoring and witnessing the achievements of students and colleagues provides a sense of fulfillment. The next generation of scientists holds the key to shaping the future of science and technology.
Embracing Challenges as an Opportunity: Approaching unfamiliar concepts and situations with a mindset of learning and embracing the adventure can lead to personal and professional growth. Viewing obstacles as opportunities to expand knowledge and connect with diverse individuals can transform challenges into enriching experiences. Maintaining an open and adaptable attitude allows for continuous learning and adaptability in the face of unforeseen circumstances.
Before and After CRISPR: Jennifer Doudna’s life changed significantly after the discovery of CRISPR-Cas9. Before CRISPR, she had time for hiking, gardening, and spending time with her family. After CRISPR, she became overwhelmed with work and responsibilities, resulting in a loss of personal time and hobbies.
Feeling of Sadness: During a hike at a conference in Napa Valley, Doudna experienced a profound sense of sadness. She realized that the discovery of CRISPR had marked a clear division in her life, separating her “before” and “after” experiences. She felt a sense of loss for the hobbies and activities she had to sacrifice due to the demands of her work.
Balancing Science and Personal Life: Doudna acknowledged the challenges of balancing her scientific pursuits with her personal life. She recognized the sacrifices she had to make in order to succeed in her career. She emphasized the importance of finding a balance between professional and personal commitments.
Support from Mentors: Doudna expressed gratitude for the support she received from mentors throughout her career. She acknowledged the positive influence of both male and female mentors who encouraged and supported her. She emphasized the importance of mentorship for the development and success of women in science.
00:46:37 Gender, Resilience, and Project Management in Scientific Research
Navigating Gender Expectations in Science: Jennifer Doudna shares her realization that gender bias in science is more prevalent than she initially perceived. She highlights the double standards faced by women in science and the challenges they encounter in being assertive or stepping outside traditional gender roles. Doudna emphasizes the importance of choosing a supportive partner who understands one’s passion for science.
Resilience and Dealing with Project Failures: Doudna stresses the significance of resilience in scientific research, acknowledging that projects often fail. She recommends having multiple projects running concurrently to mitigate the impact of setbacks. Doudna encourages researchers to consider the risk, cost, and benefit of pursuing a particular project and to assess its timeliness in relation to technological advancements. She highlights the importance of understanding a researcher’s personality and ensuring that they are a good fit for a particular project.
Managing Expectations in Successful Research: Doudna reflects on the freeing experience of having low expectations during her early exploratory work. She acknowledges that with success comes increased expectations from family, colleagues, and the broader community. Doudna emphasizes the need to set realistic goals and to maintain a healthy work-life balance. She suggests that successful researchers should use their platform to advocate for positive change in the scientific community, including promoting diversity and inclusivity.
00:55:13 Scholars Assess the Bar for Success in Scientific Research
Evolving Standards in Scientific Research: Jennifer Doudna reflects on the changing expectations and standards in scientific research throughout her career. She emphasizes that as researchers receive more resources and support, the bar is raised, and more is expected of them.
Personal Standards of Integrity, Scholarship, and Mentorship: Doudna’s current personal standards focus on integrity, scholarship, and mentorship. She strives to enable others to achieve great things rather than focusing solely on her personal achievements.
Enabling Others to Excel: Doudna believes in empowering her lab members, collaborators, and colleagues to excel in their research. She aims to provide them with the resources and support they need to make significant contributions to the field.
Abstract
The Journey of Jennifer Doudna: A Path of Resilience, Innovation, and Impact in Science
Introduction: The Essence of Jennifer Doudna’s Scientific Odyssey
Jennifer Doudna, a figure synonymous with groundbreaking advancements in biochemistry and genetics, presents a narrative that is not just about scientific discovery but also about the resilience, innovation, and personal growth behind it. Growing up in Hawaii, Doudna’s early fascination with nature’s intricacies and her unique environment were the prelude to a journey marked by challenges, triumphs, and relentless curiosity. Her story, from being inspired by literature and a high school chemistry teacher to her pivotal role in CRISPR research, is a testament to the importance of mentorship, perseverance, and the courage to venture into uncharted scientific territories. This article delves into Doudna’s life, unraveling the key moments and influences that shaped her path and her profound impact on the scientific community.
Early Influences and Formative Experiences
In her youth, the unique environment of Hawaii, intellectual stimulation from her father, a literature professor, and her high school chemistry teacher, Miss Wong, set the foundation for Doudna’s lifelong intrigue with the natural world and scientific discovery. The book “The Double Helix” by Jim Watson ignited her interest in the structure of DNA. Despite not knowing any scientists personally, her love for puzzles and biochemistry led her to major in chemistry at Pomona College. Her initial struggles were overcome when she found her calling in organic chemistry during her second year, beginning her deep dive into the world of biochemistry and shaping her future contributions in DNA and gene editing.
A Journey Through Academia: Challenges and Breakthroughs
Doudna’s academic path was a blend of challenges and breakthroughs. Her high school and college years laid the foundation for her fascination with chemistry and problem-solving. At college, she studied Myxococcus xanthus, a bacterium, in a biochemistry lab. Her success in culturing bacteria propelled her toward a PhD and later to Harvard Medical School. At Harvard, in Jack Szostak’s lab, she began studying ribozymes, laying the groundwork for her work on CRISPR-Cas9. These early experiences taught her the value of intellectual engagement, debate, and inclusivity in scientific endeavors.
Jack Szostak’s Lab and the Significance of Open Discourse
In Jack Szostak’s lab, Doudna found an environment fostering open and collaborative scientific discourse. Szostak encouraged independence, creativity, and valued the opinions of his lab members. This interaction instilled in Doudna a sense of confidence and the importance of respectful intellectual exchange, highlighting the value of mentors who encourage and respect their students’ views, fostering innovation and growth.
The Leap into Uncharted Scientific Fields
Doudna’s career is highlighted by her fearless entry into new scientific fields, leading her to the discovery of CRISPR-Cas9. Her shift from chemistry to synthetic biology was driven by a natural progression of research interests and interactions with collaborators. Her approach was characterized by intuition, collaboration, and the willingness to learn and adapt, emphasizing the importance of risk-taking, embracing challenges, and dedication in scientific knowledge pursuit.
Collaboration and Technical Success
Doudna’s significant collaborations in uncharted scientific fields were vital. A notable example was a technically challenging experiment with a technician from Boulder and David Gerizalmi at Yale, involving cryo-cooling a crystal and exposing it to an X-ray beam, achieving three angstrom diffraction. This success instilled in Doudna a sense of awe and excitement for her research possibilities.
Phase Problem Resolution
In solving the phase problem, Doudna used osmium hexamine to phase ribosome crystals. Collaborating with other researchers, they achieved breakthroughs in phasing both ribosome and other crystals, demonstrating the power of interdisciplinary collaboration and her emphasis on curiosity-driven science.
CRISPR: A Turning Point in Doudna’s Career
The discovery of CRISPR-Cas9 reshaped Doudna’s research focus and brought international acclaim. This project emerged from a collaboration with geologist Jill Banfield, who discovered CRISPR systems in bacteria. Doudna incorporated biology expertise into her lab, leading to significant collaborations and attracting experienced researchers, highlighting the importance of interdisciplinary collaboration and seizing new research opportunities.
Transitioning Research Focus, Finding Inspiration, and Tackling Uncharted Scientific Territories
Doudna’s transition from chemistry and biochemistry to genetics and synthetic biology at Yale University was driven by a desire to make her work more relevant to biology. The opportunity to join the University of California, Berkeley, with its diverse academic environment, attracted her. The discovery of CRISPR originated from Dr. Jill Banfield’s research, prompting Doudna to explore its potential. Gradually, Doudna expanded her lab’s research scope, embracing mouse genetics, animal protocols, and work with cultured cells.
Personal Challenges and Reflections on Success
With her achievements, Doudna faced challenges in balancing her professional and personal life. The impact of her success on her lifestyle, coupled with increased expectations and scrutiny, highlighted the need for self-care and maintaining work-life balance. Doudna’s reflections emphasize the significance of enabling others to succeed, valuing integrity, scholarship, mentorship, and fostering a collaborative environment.
Before and After CRISPR
Jennifer Doudna’s life underwent significant changes following the discovery of CRISPR-Cas9. Before CR
ISPR, she enjoyed hiking, gardening, and spending time with her family. However, after CRISPR, her life became overwhelmed with work and responsibilities, leading to a loss of personal time and hobbies. During a hike at a conference in Napa Valley, she experienced a profound sense of sadness, realizing the stark division in her life created by CRISPR. The discovery marked a separation of her “before” and “after” experiences, and she mourned the loss of hobbies and activities she had to sacrifice due to the demands of her work. Doudna acknowledged the challenges of balancing scientific pursuits with personal life, recognizing the sacrifices required for career success and the importance of finding a balance between professional and personal commitments.
Navigating Gender Expectations in Science
Jennifer Doudna shared her realization that gender bias in science is more prevalent than initially perceived. She highlighted the double standards faced by women in science and the challenges of being assertive or stepping outside traditional gender roles. Doudna emphasized the importance of choosing a supportive partner who understands the passion for science.
The Legacy of Jennifer Doudna
Jennifer Doudna’s journey is a narrative of resilience, intellectual bravery, and relentless pursuit of knowledge. Her story reflects the power of mentorship, interdisciplinary collaboration, and the transformative impact of embracing challenges and new directions in research. Doudna’s legacy is not only her scientific contributions but also her role as a mentor and advocate for inclusivity and empowerment in the scientific community, serving as an inspiration for future generations of scientists.
Embracing Risks, Overcoming Doubts, and Thriving in Scientific Discovery
Doudna’s journey is marked by her determination to navigate uncharted territories and overcome skepticism. She emphasizes the importance of embracing risks, taking calculated leaps, and persisting despite setbacks. Passion and determination are essential in pursuing challenging endeavors, with the excitement of exploring the unknown often outweighing the fear of failure.
Evolving Standards in Scientific Research
Jennifer Doudna reflects on the changing expectations and standards in scientific research throughout her career. As researchers receive more resources and support, the bar is raised, and more is expected of them. Doudna’s current personal standards focus on integrity, scholarship, and mentorship, striving to enable others to achieve great things rather than focusing solely on personal achievements.
Personal Standards of Integrity, Scholarship, and Mentorship
Doudna believes in empowering her lab members, collaborators, and colleagues to excel in their research, providing them with the resources and support needed to make significant contributions to the field.
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