Jennifer Doudna (UC Berkeley Professor) – Level up for humanity, opening International Science Festival Gothenburg (Jul 2021)


Chapters

00:00:20 Exploring Scientific Advancements at the International Science Festival in Gothenburg
00:02:44 CRISPR: From Gene Editing to Ethical Dilemmas
00:08:15 Clinical Applications of CRISPR Technology
00:13:12 Ethical Considerations for CRISPR: Balancing Risks and Benefits
00:18:48 Ethical Considerations for Germline Editing
00:24:23 CRISPR as a Precision Tool for Genetic Manipulation
00:26:30 CRISPR, Gene Editing, and the Future of Humanity
00:34:43 Future Applications and Ethical Considerations of CRISPR-Cas9 Gene Editing
00:46:00 CRISPR Accuracy and Accessibility
00:50:45 CRISPR Technology: Exploring Its Impacts on Evolution and Applications in Genome Editing
00:56:04 CRISPR Applications: Medicine, Climate Change, and Beyond

Abstract

Revolutionizing Science and Ethics: The CRISPR Conundrum

Celebrating Science at the Gothenburg Festival: A Quarter-Century of Discovery and Progress

The Gothenburg International Science Festival, a key European popular science event, celebrates its 25th anniversary under the theme “Level Up.” This theme underscores the continuous development of the world and our collective ambition to advance further. The festival focuses on addressing vital questions about our future trajectory, the levels we aim to achieve, and how we can responsibly attain these goals while preserving our planet and its inhabitants.

CRISPR: A Double-Edged Sword of Modern Science

Professor Jennifer Doudna, awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 2020, has played a crucial role in transforming modern science through her pioneering work on the CRISPR technique. CRISPR, a groundbreaking technology for precise DNA editing, was initially discovered in bacteria as a defense mechanism against viral infections. This DNA-cutting mechanism has been adapted for various purposes, including modifying DNA in animal, plant, and human cells.

The CRISPR technology, a transformative tool in genetic engineering, allows for the precise cutting, pasting, and editing of genetic material, particularly DNA. It has broad applications, including the prevention of genetic diseases and potential treatments for various illnesses like cancer and HIV. However, the power of CRISPR comes with ethical dilemmas, especially the possibility of editing human genes, which raises significant ethical and philosophical issues. Concerns include the potential misuse of the technology to create designer babies with selected traits and the risks associated with modifying the human germline (sperm, eggs, or embryos), which pose questions about equality and social justice.

The Ethical Maze of CRISPR: Navigating the Unknown

The capacity of CRISPR to introduce heritable changes in the human genome is fraught with significant ethical concerns. The concept of ‘designer babies,’ with chosen traits, ignites a moral debate about the essence of human existence. Additionally, the complexities involved in editing traits governed by multiple genes, like intelligence, present formidable scientific and ethical challenges.

Immediate and Future Applications: A Mixed Bag of Hope and Caution

In the short term, CRISPR shows promise in treating single-gene diseases and advancing cancer therapies. Looking ahead, it could potentially cure genetic diseases and enhance human traits, although this comes with serious ethical considerations. CRISPR is used in clinical trials to treat sickle cell disease by activating fetal hemoglobin, thereby overriding the disease-causing mutation. Future possibilities include correcting the mutation and restoring the normal DNA sequence. This approach is limited to individuals, not embryos, aligning with standard therapies. However, the potential for complex traits like schizophrenia remains limited to research due to the involvement of multiple genetic factors and the challenges in targeting many genes simultaneously. Altering traits like intelligence is also challenging due to their complexity and difficulty in definition.

Clinical trials using CRISPR for sickle cell disease treatment mark a significant advancement. These trials aim to activate fetal hemoglobin to override the disease-causing mutation, with future applications possibly correcting the mutation directly.

Designer Babies and Research Impact: A Delicate Balance

The ethical controversies surrounding human embryo editing have slowed down research, particularly in clinical applications. The birth of genome-edited babies in China in 2018, leading to the imprisonment of the involved scientist, highlights the importance of responsible scientific conduct. Many countries ban gene editing in human embryos for assisted reproduction due to ethical concerns and potential unintended consequences.

Responsibility and Regulation: The Path Forward

Despite the challenges, there is a strong interest in exploring the responsible use of CRISPR in human embryos. Implementing regulatory frameworks and fostering international collaboration are vital to ensure CRISPR’s ethical and responsible usage.

Regarding the use of CRISPR in human embryos, there is a renewed global sense of responsibility among scientists and clinicians to ensure its responsible future use. However, little is known about the health of the babies born from CRISPR-edited embryos due to privacy concerns.

Jennifer Doudna, a key figure in the development of CRISPR, advocates for its responsible use. Recognizing the irreversible nature of CRISPR, she believes its benefits outweigh the risks. Doudna emphasizes the importance of societal discussions and education in shaping the future of this technology.

The precision of CRISPR distinguishes it from traditional genetic manipulation methods. While humans have long influenced genetics through various means, CRISPR’s accuracy in editing DNA without introducing unwanted alterations represents a significant advancement.

Doudna believes that making science accessible, including CRISPR, can help demystify and foster trust in scientific endeavors. However, she cautions against unrealistic expectations, such as creating ‘designer babies,’ underscoring the importance of genetic diversity for species survival.

The potential of CRISPR extends to agriculture, where it can introduce genetic diversity and disease resistance, crucial for adapting to climate change. It also has potential applications in agriculture for introducing genetic diversity and disease resistance, which are vital for climate change adaptation.

CRISPR will likely influence plant and animal evolution, but its impact on human evolution remains a distant possibility. Concerns about equity in access to CRISPR technologies and their societal impacts persist.

Doudna’s journey from Hawaii to becoming a Nobel Laureate is a story of perseverance and curiosity. Her current research focuses on CRISPR biology, exploring applications in various fields and developing efficient delivery methods.

Concluding Thoughts: Weighing the Prospects and Perils of CRISPR

CRISPR technology stands at a crossroads of unprecedented scientific progress and profound ethical questions. As the scientific community and society grapple with these issues, a balanced approach, as advocated by leaders like Jennifer Doudna, will be crucial in navigating the future of this transformative technology.

Doudna organized a 2015 meeting to discuss CRISPR use in human embryos before it gained public attention. She highlights that technology doesn’t regress, emphasizing that CRISPR’s benefits outweigh the risks with responsible scientific engagement. Doudna believes scientists share the responsibility for educating people about CRISPR’s capabilities and limitations.

CRISPR raises concerns about biological warfare, engineered viruses, and ecological disruptions due to animal tinkering. The blurry line between life-saving edits and pure enhancements raises ethical questions, including those related to eugenics.

The use of CRISPR in individuals is ethically similar to other therapies, affecting only the individual and involving risks and benefits. In contrast, CRISPR use in the human germline creates permanent changes that are passed on. Most CRISPR applications are for individuals, not the germline, with current germline work primarily being research-based.

Limited information is available on early embryonic development. CRISPR has potential value for learning fundamental biology, with appropriate guidelines and respect for embryos in place.

The technology is not yet ready for clinical use in embryos, due to insufficient understanding of CRISPR’s effects in this context. Open and transparent societal discussions are needed to navigate this area.

The term “designer babies” may seem unfair, as humans have manipulated genetics for centuries, such as in plant breeding. Societal acceptance of IVF suggests that a similar acceptance of CRISPR could occur in the future.

Historically, practices like forced sterilization in Sweden and the US have occurred, demonstrating that genetic design has been a part of our past and is ongoing. Opposition to CRISPR may partly stem from an irrational fear of technology.

CRISPR revolutionizes genetic engineering in plants by allowing precise manipulation of genes without introducing undesirable alterations. This precision eliminates the randomness and long duration associated with traditional breeding methods, accelerating the process of genetic modification.

Humans have a long history of manipulating organisms, indicating a continuous practice of genetic engineering. CRISPR, with its precision, is comparable to traditional methods in terms of safety and effectiveness.

The growing trend of biohackers experimenting with CRISPR in unregulated settings raises concerns about potential risks and ethical implications. While some advocate for less regulation, arguing for the freedom to enhance oneself through genetic editing, this viewpoint presents significant challenges.

Jennifer Doudna’s background and motivation include her upbringing in Hawaii, where she actively sought opportunities to pursue science. Her journey reflects that passion and self-driven exploration can lead to progress, regardless of one’s circumstances. Doudna believes that a genuine passion for work is a common trait among successful scientists.

In terms of CRISPR and evolution, Doudna notes that while CRISPR will likely affect evolution in certain organisms, its impact on human evolution is unlikely to occur soon. The engineering of humans through CRISPR is a complex and lengthy process that would take generations to have a noticeable impact. Despite this, Doudna urges responsible and thoughtful consideration of CRISPR’s use in heritable human genome editing.

Regarding the ethical and societal implications, Doudna highlights concerns about equity, access, and the potential divide between those who can afford the technology and those who cannot. She emphasizes the need for discussions and considerations regarding the ethical and societal implications of CRISPR’s applications.

Doudna’s ongoing research involves exploring the fundamentals of CRISPR biology, particularly in microbes and bacteriophage, aiming to understand how these systems operate naturally and discover new insights. Her lab is also working on developing efficient and targeted delivery methods for CRISPR genome editing molecules into various cell types.

CRISPR’s Future: Clinical Applications, Climate Change Mitigation, and Public Engagement

Jennifer Doudna emphasizes the need for more efficient methods of delivering CRISPR technology to specific tissue types. The Innovative Genomics Institute is exploring CRISPR’s potential to mitigate climate change effects, aiming to harness its capabilities for beneficial purposes. The institute prioritizes making CRISPR affordable and accessible for clinical applications, seeking to make the technology available worldwide. Doudna stresses the importance of public discourse and engagement regarding CRISPR technology, encouraging people to discuss, form opinions, and continue learning about its implications. Miriam Frankl hopes that the discussion about CRISPR will extend beyond the presentation, urging listeners to carry the conversation forward in social gatherings.


Notes by: OracleOfEntropy