Graham Allison (Harvard University Professor) – In War Against Coronavirus (Apr 2020)
Chapters
00:00:00 Coronavirus: A Flash of Lightning in US-China Relations
Perplexing US-China Relations: US-China relations are highly complex and challenging, making it difficult to fully comprehend. Senator’s question, “What the hell is going on in US-China relations?” reflects the intricate nature of the relationship.
COVID-19 as a Revealing Factor: COVID-19 is likened to a bolt of lightning that illuminates aspects of the US-China relationship that were previously obscured. The crisis offers insights into deeper issues and opportunities within the relationship.
Three Key Ideas for Navigating the Relationship: Allison proposes three big ideas as building blocks for thinking about how to navigate the challenging US-China relationship. These ideas are derived from observations made during the COVID-19 crisis.
00:04:43 Defining Features of the US-China Rivalry and Mutual Existential Threats
Thucydides and the Thucydidean Rivalry: The Thucydidean rivalry describes a pattern in history where a rising power threatens to displace a ruling power, often leading to conflict. The United States is the current ruling power, and China is the rising power, creating a potential for a Thucydidean rivalry between the two nations.
Mutual Existential Threats: Existential threats are those that pose a fundamental challenge to the survival or well-being of a nation. Mutual existential threats are those that both nations face and cannot defeat alone, such as pandemics, climate change, and nuclear war. The COVID-19 pandemic is an example of a mutual existential threat that requires cooperation between the United States and China to address effectively.
Rivalry Partnership: The concept of a rivalry partnership acknowledges that while the United States and China are rivals, they also have common interests and must work together to address shared challenges. This concept emphasizes the need for both competition and cooperation in the relationship between the two countries.
00:13:41 China-US Relations Amid the Coronavirus Crisis
Key Insights: The coronavirus crisis has highlighted the need for the US and China to recognize their shared existential threats and work together to address them. The Song Dynasty’s “rivalry partnership” with the Liao tribe offers a historical example of how rivals can cooperate in some areas while competing in others. The US and China currently find themselves in a complex relationship of rivalry and partnership, similar to the “co-opetition” seen in the business world.
US-China Relations in the Context of the Thucydides Trap: The coronavirus crisis has intensified the focus on the Thucydides Trap, which suggests that a rising power (China) is likely to challenge a ruling power (US), potentially leading to conflict. Both China and the US have engaged in efforts to demonize each other, further exacerbating tensions. The performance of both countries in handling the crisis will impact their self-perception, as well as how others perceive them and their systems of government.
The Potential for a Teaching Moment: The crisis could potentially serve as a teaching moment, emphasizing the need for cooperation and transparency in addressing global health threats. Increased transparency and collaboration in surveillance and alarm systems can help prevent future pandemics. The presence of experts from both countries in each other’s countries can facilitate early detection and response to emerging threats.
The Risk of War: Graham Allison emphasizes the risk of war between China and the United States despite both countries having pressing domestic issues and understanding the catastrophic consequences of war.
Thucydides Trap: Allison highlights the Thucydides Trap, a historical pattern of conflict between a rising power and a dominant power, as a potential scenario between China and the United States.
Internal Focus of China: Steve Orleans observes that China’s strategic view is primarily focused on maintaining the power of the Chinese Communist Party, rather than external expansion.
Taiwan as a Flashpoint: Allison points to Taiwan as a potential flashpoint for conflict, considering the possibility of Taiwan moving towards independence and China’s likely forceful response.
The Challenge of Compromise: Both China and the United States face challenges in finding a diplomatic solution regarding Taiwan, with neither side willing to compromise easily.
The 1914 Parallels: Allison draws parallels between the current situation and the events leading up to World War I, highlighting how seemingly minor events can lead to disastrous outcomes.
The Blame Game in the US Election: Orleans expresses concern that the upcoming US election campaigns may intensify anti-China rhetoric, potentially pushing the two countries closer to conflict.
Managing the Rivalry: Allison acknowledges the possibility of managing the rivalry between China and the United States, but emphasizes the need for both sides to avoid escalating tensions and finding common ground.
Perception and Misperception in the US-China Rivalry: China’s economic growth and increasing global influence have created a perception in the US that China is encroaching on American positions and prerogatives. This perception is often exaggerated and hyped beyond reason, especially during election seasons.
Politics and the US-China Rivalry: Domestic politics in both the US and China play a significant role in shaping the rivalry between the two countries. Politicians often feel compelled to take a tough stance on China in order to avoid being perceived as soft on national security. This can lead to a cycle of escalation in which each side tries to outdo the other in terms of toughness, making it difficult to find common ground and resolve differences.
The Thucydides Trap: The Thucydides Trap is a theory in international relations that suggests that when a rising power challenges an established power, it often leads to conflict. This theory is based on the historical example of the Peloponnesian War between Sparta and Athens. The US and China are currently in a similar situation, with China’s rise challenging America’s global dominance. The Thucydides Trap suggests that this could lead to conflict between the two countries, unless they are able to find ways to manage their rivalry peacefully.
00:42:18 China and Chinese Students Facing Racism in the United States
US-China Relations: Graham Allison expresses concern about the growing demonization of China, which could cause lasting damage to the relationship between the two countries. Steve Orleans predicts that China will be a central issue in the upcoming US presidential campaign, with Republicans blaming China for the COVID-19 pandemic and Democrats trying to distance themselves from Trump’s handling of the situation.
Racism and Xenophobia: Allison acknowledges the existence of racism and xenophobia in the US, including negative attitudes towards Chinese Americans and Chinese students. He recounts an incident where a Chinese American research assistant working for him faced mistreatment due to his ethnicity. Allison emphasizes the importance of condemning racism and xenophobia and welcoming Chinese students and Chinese Americans in the US.
Trump’s Rhetoric on China: Allison commends President Trump for heeding advice from his wife and Senate Majority Leader McConnell to stop using terms like “Chinese virus” and “Wuhan virus.” He believes that Trump’s subsequent phone call with Chinese President Xi Jinping led to a positive change in tone and a halt to the spread of misinformation.
Wuhan Lab Leak Theory: Steve Orleans addresses the theory that the COVID-19 pandemic originated from an infected animal improperly disposed of from the Wuhan Level 4 virology lab. He notes that this theory has been promoted by some individuals and groups but lacks substantial evidence.
00:47:24 Origins of the Coronavirus and the US-China Diplomatic Response
Graham Allison’s Perspective on Covid-19 Origins: The exact origins of Covid-19 are still unknown and need scientific investigation. There are three possible origins: Manufactured in a bioweapons lab. Escaped from a bio research lab. Natural occurrence from a virus in nature. Allison recommends joint scientific investigation between the US and China to determine the facts. Allison dismisses China’s narrative that the virus originated in an American bioweapons lab.
US Response to the Pandemic and China’s Influence: The US response to the pandemic has left some allies and partners disappointed. China has taken advantage of this to spread influence through medical aid and consulting.
Allison’s Opinion on US Recovering Its World Leadership Role: While China acted swiftly and effectively to contain the virus, the US has faced difficulties in controlling its spread. As a result, Apple stores are open in Wuhan and Shanghai, while they remain closed in many US cities.
00:52:27 China's Growing Economic Power and Competition with the United States
Economic Rivalry: China’s economy has grown exponentially, becoming larger than the US economy by most metrics, including production of goods.
Manufacturing Dominance: China has become the world’s manufacturing center, supplying a wide range of products, including face masks and pharmaceutical ingredients.
Thucydides Trap Implications: The Thucydides Trap, where a rising power challenges a dominant power, is creating an uncomfortable situation for the US and China.
Chinese Assistance: China has provided aid to the US, such as sending face masks, to show goodwill and gain influence.
Reputation Building: Both the US and China are attempting to bolster their reputations during the pandemic.
US Actions: The US has taken actions that have damaged its reputation, such as diverting protective equipment from other countries.
US War History: The US has a history of starting wars slowly and improving over time.
Long-term Rivalry: The rivalry between the US and China is expected to continue for a long time, with both countries gaining and losing reputational ground.
Chinese Propaganda: Chinese propaganda aims to deflect attention from the government’s mishandling of the pandemic’s early stages.
00:58:55 US and China Economic Collaboration in Times of Crisis
The 2008 Financial Crisis: The 2008 financial crisis was caused by excesses and risks in the financial market, leading to the possibility of a second Great Depression.
Collaborative Stimulus Spending: The U.S. and China collaborated in joint stimulus spending to prevent a Great Depression during the 2008 financial crisis. China’s contribution was significant and may have been as important as or even more significant than the U.S.’s contribution.
Current Stimulus Spending: The U.S. and China are currently engaged in large-scale stimulus spending to combat the economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic. China has been more reserved in its stimulus spending compared to the U.S.
Potential Collaboration: Collaboration between the U.S. and China in stimulus spending could help mitigate the severe economic impact on the rest of the world, especially developing countries.
The U.S. National Debt: The U.S. national debt was considered a significant threat to national security during the Obama administration. The current orthodoxy is that deficits don’t matter due to the U.S. having the reserve currency. Leaving large debts to future generations may have negative consequences for their opportunities and the country’s future.
Interest Rates: Low interest rates may make the operating deficit seem smaller, as the cost is essentially passed on to future generations.
Thucydides Trap and the China-US Relationship: The Thucydides Trap refers to the tension between a rising power (China) and an established power (US), which can lead to conflict. Kevin Rudd, former Australian Prime Minister, observed that 50% of Washington’s conversations focus on maintaining the US as the number one power, while in Beijing, the focus is solely on China’s progress, not on becoming number one. China’s leaders are more concerned with staying in power and solving domestic problems than competing for global dominance.
China’s Dream and Economic Goals: China’s dream is to make China great again, restoring its historical position of strength and influence. Xi Jinping and the Chinese people are driven by this vision of national rejuvenation. China’s economic goals include increasing per capita GDP and becoming a leading manufacturer and trading partner.
Impact on the US and Economic Implications: China’s economic success has impacted the US, leading to concerns about job losses, trade imbalances, and technological competition. The US is considering policies to divert critical supply chains back to the US, potentially leading to higher prices and lower quality goods. Disrupting supply chains without considering the costs can have negative consequences for both economies.
Economic Dependency and Trade: China’s low-cost, high-quality manufacturing has made it a dominant player in global supply chains. Completely unraveling these supply chains would be costly and impractical. A balanced approach is needed, identifying key areas where dependency on foreign suppliers should be minimized.
01:13:13 Economic and Security Implications of Decoupling China
Decoupling from China: Decoupling from China could lead to lower quality and higher prices for consumers. The rest of the world, particularly Europe and Asia, is unlikely to join the U.S. in completely decoupling from China. Countries prioritize their economic relationship with China, which is essential for their prosperity, over their security relationship with the U.S. Decoupling from China could lead to a recession and political instability in other countries.
Challenges in Managing U.S.-China Relations: Managing U.S.-China relations is a complex task. The two countries have different political systems, economic interests, and historical experiences. There is a risk of conflict between the two countries, especially in the Asia-Pacific region. Communication and cooperation between the two countries are essential to avoid conflict.
The Importance of Engagement: Engagement with China is necessary to address common challenges, such as climate change and global health. Engagement can also help to build trust and understanding between the two countries. The U.S. and China should work together to find common ground and avoid conflict.
Abstract
Navigating the Complexities of US-China Relations: Insights from Graham Allison, Updated with Supplemental Information
In the intricate landscape of international relations, the dynamic between the United States and China stands at a crucial crossroads. Distinguished scholar Graham Allison’s profound insights shed light on this multifaceted relationship, emphasizing the importance of nuanced and pragmatic approaches. His metaphorical use of the coronavirus pandemic as a revealing flash of lightning, exploration of the Thucydides Trap, and emphasis on mutual existential threats and rivalry partnership provide a unique lens for examining the current geopolitical landscape. This article aims to integrate Allison’s perspectives with contemporary challenges and opportunities, offering a comprehensive understanding of this pivotal global relationship.
Steve Orleans’ Introduction to Graham Allison
Steve Orleans sets the stage by introducing Graham Allison, acknowledging his expertise and valuable contributions to international relations. This endorsement underscores the significance of Allison’s subsequent remarks, lending credibility to his analysis.
Graham Allison’s Opening Remarks
Expressing gratitude for the opportunity, Allison highlights the National Committee’s role in fostering US-China understanding. He emphasizes the importance of avoiding oversimplified views of the US-China relationship, recognizing its intricate nature.
Allison’s Metaphor of Coronavirus, Updated
In the wake of the coronavirus pandemic, Allison employs the metaphor of a flash of lightning to illuminate hidden aspects of the US-China relationship. This crisis has exposed underlying challenges and opportunities, demanding careful consideration.
The exact origins of Covid-19 are still unknown and need scientific investigation. Allison recommends joint scientific investigation between the US and China to determine the facts, dismissing China’s narrative that the virus originated in an American bioweapons lab.
The US response to the pandemic has left some allies and partners disappointed, while China has taken advantage of this to spread influence through medical aid and consulting. Apple stores are open in Wuhan and Shanghai, while they remain closed in many US cities, signifying China’s efficient containment of the virus and the US’s difficulties in controlling its spread.
Three Big Ideas for Navigating US-China Relations, Updated
Allison proposes three key concepts to navigate the US-China relationship, informed by observations during the COVID-19 crisis:
1. Thucydides’ Rivalry: Drawing parallels to historical conflicts, he emphasizes the inherent risks of conflict between a rising power (China) and a ruling power (United States), underscoring the relevance of the Thucydides Trap.
2. Mutual Existential Threats: Allison stresses the importance of cooperation in addressing global challenges that neither nation can tackle alone, citing pandemics, climate change, and nuclear war as examples of mutual existential threats.
3. Rivalry Partnership: This concept acknowledges that while the United States and China are rivals, they also have common interests and must work together to address shared challenges, balancing competition with necessary cooperation.
Insights on US-China Relations Amidst Coronavirus Crisis, Updated
Allison offers three central ideas for sensible US policy towards China in light of the coronavirus crisis:
1. Recognizing shared existential threats and finding common ground for cooperation.
2. Embracing a rivalry partnership model, balancing competition with necessary cooperation.
3. Acknowledging the challenges in managing this complex relationship but recognizing the severe consequences of failure.
He also discusses the Thucydides Trap in the context of the coronavirus crisis, noting instances of cooperation amidst rivalry, and emphasizes the importance of perception in crisis management.
Internal Chinese Focus, Updated
Allison points out that Chinese leaders prioritize internal stability and power, dealing with economic disparities, environmental issues, and ethnic tensions. The Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) legitimacy hinges on effectively addressing these challenges.
Taiwan as a Flashpoint, Updated
Taiwan remains a critical issue in US-China relations. Any movement towards Taiwanese independence could provoke a military response from China, potentially involving the United States due to its defense agreement with Taiwan.
Political Rhetoric and Escalation, Updated
The article discusses the potential for heightened tensions due to political rhetoric in the upcoming US presidential campaign, with candidates likely to criticize China’s actions.
Need for Dialogue and Cooperation, Updated
Despite these challenges, there’s a mutual interest in avoiding conflict. Open communication and cooperation are key to mitigating risks and building trust.
Thucydides’ Trap and US-China Rivalry, Updated
Misperceptions and political rhetoric often exaggerate the US-China rivalry. Domestic politics in both countries fuel these tensions, potentially leading to a self-fulfilling prophecy of conflict.
Escalating China-US Tensions, Updated
The article addresses the escalation of tensions due to the COVID-19 pandemic, including racism and xenophobia experienced by Chinese people in the US.
Origins of Coronavirus, Updated
The origins of the coronavirus remain a subject of debate, highlighting the need for cooperation between American and Chinese scientists.
US Response and China’s Influence, Updated
The US’s handling of the pandemic raised concerns, while China used the opportunity to extend its influence through medical aid and consulting.
US Recovery, Updated
The US faces challenges in recovering its global stature, particularly in light of China’s rise and its role as a global manufacturing hub.
US-China Collaboration in Crises, Updated
The article recalls past instances of US-China collaboration, such as during the 2008 financial crisis, suggesting potential for cooperation in the current pandemic.
The 2008 financial crisis was caused by excesses and risks in the financial market, leading to the possibility of a second Great Depression. The U.S. and China collaborated in joint stimulus spending to prevent a Great Depression during the 2008 financial crisis. China’s contribution was significant and may have been as important as or even more significant than the U.S.’s contribution. The U.S. and China are currently engaged in large-scale stimulus spending to combat the economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic. China has been more reserved in its stimulus spending compared to the U.S. Collaboration between the U.S. and China in stimulus spending could help mitigate the severe economic impact on the rest of the world, especially developing countries.
US Economic Outlook and Concerns about Debt, Updated
The US’s economic response to the pandemic, including a massive stimulus package, raises questions about long-term consequences and concerns regarding national debt.
The U.S. national debt was considered a significant threat to national security during the Obama administration. The current orthodoxy is that deficits don’t matter due to the U.S. having the reserve currency. Leaving large debts to future generations may have negative consequences for their opportunities and the country’s future. Low interest rates may make the operating deficit seem smaller, as the cost is essentially passed on to future generations.
Thucydides Trap and China’s Progress, Updated
Discussion of China’s focus on internal progress rather than seeking global dominance provides a different perspective on the Thucydides Trap.
China’s Dream and Economic Growth, Updated
China’s pursuit of the “China Dream” is driven by a desire to restore national greatness and improve citizens’ lives, not necessarily to surpass the US.
American Identity and Perception of Decline, Updated
The article explores the American psyche, particularly how the perceived decline in global stature affects national identity.
Supply Chain Diversification and Economic Considerations, Updated
The pandemic has sparked discussions in the US about diversifying supply chains away from China, though this comes with economic implications.
Balancing National Security and Economic Interests, Updated
The challenge lies in identifying critical supply elements where dependence on China is undesirable while recognizing its role as a key global producer.
Decoupling from China, Updated
Complete economic decoupling from China is deemed impractical and potentially harmful to the global economy.
In conclusion, Allison’s insights, combined with the current geopolitical context, underscore the complexities and nuances of the US-China relationship. The need for strategic cooperation, balanced with healthy competition, emerges as a central theme. This dynamic interplay between two global powers requires careful navigation to avoid conflict and foster mutual progress, challenging both nations to redefine their roles in a rapidly changing world order.
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