Rodney Brooks (Rethink Robotics Co-founder) – EconTalk Podcast (Sep 2018)


Chapters

00:01:46 Long-Term Impacts of Technological Advancements: Underestimations and Transformations
00:10:24 GPS: The Underestimated Infrastructure and Its Vulnerabilities
00:14:49 Technology as Magic: The Limits of Human Understanding
00:20:44 AI: Performance Versus Competence
00:31:09 AI Learning: A Trip Through History and Its Overestimation
00:35:54 Suitcase Words and the Limits of Computer Learning
00:41:09 Early Innovations Led to Modern Deep Learning
00:44:20 The Evolution of Technological Progress: From Hollywood Scenarios to Deployment Time
00:51:36 Technological Inertia in Manufacturing
00:55:38 Exploring the Limits of Human Imagination in Technological Innovation
01:02:07 Technological Adoption and Metaphors

Abstract

Navigating the Waves of Technological Evolution: From Overestimation to True Transformation

In a world rapidly shaped by technological advancement, it’s crucial to navigate the dichotomy between our expectations and the reality of technological progress. This exploration reveals a pattern where we tend to overestimate the impact of new technologies in the short term while underestimating their long-term transformative potential. From the gradual integration of self-driving cars to the underappreciated yet profound influence of GPS technology, and from the challenges of adapting to climate change in food production to the enchanting, almost magical perception of modern technology, this article delves into the intricate journey of technological evolution. We will also examine the limitations and potential of artificial intelligence (AI), contrasting its performance with human competence, and explore the implications of technology deployment in our society, including the longevity of assets like the B-52 bomber and the role of metaphors in our understanding of technology.

1. The Illusion of Immediate Impact: Overestimating and Underestimating Technological Progress

The initial excitement surrounding new technologies often leads to an overestimation of their immediate impact. For instance, early perceptions of computers suggested a swift revolution in job replacement, yet it took decades for them to deeply integrate into our lives. Similarly, the anticipated rapid deployment of self-driving cars by 2018-2020 collided with the reality of technical and regulatory hurdles, signifying a more gradual adoption.

Science fiction often underestimated the actual progress of technology, such as in the case of Star Trek’s portrayal of computers in the future. Isaac Newton, despite his brilliant mind, would not be able to fully understand or explain the workings of a modern smartphone.

2. Self-Driving Cars: A Case Study in Technological Evolution

The trajectory of self-driving cars exemplifies the pattern of overestimation followed by a measured reality. Initially met with enthusiasm, the development of these vehicles faced unforeseen challenges, including cultural and legal dilemmas such as liability in accidents and the legal implications of non-adult passengers giving instructions. This transition is now seen as a more gradual process, requiring dedicated zones and evolving legal frameworks.

New social and legal norms will need to be established for driverless cars, especially in situations involving children or incapacitated individuals.

3. The Underestimated Revolution: The Ubiquity and Impact of GPS

Contrasting with the overestimation of certain technologies, GPS stands as a technology whose impact was initially underestimated. Today, it’s a critical component in various sectors, from navigation to electrical grid synchronization. Its deep integration into modern infrastructure means that any disruption would have widespread consequences. Interestingly, this technology extends beyond its military origins, with applications in agriculture and environmental monitoring.

GPS has become indispensable to modern infrastructure, including the electrical grid, water resource management, and even military targeting.

The grid relies on GPS clocks for synchronization, making it susceptible to disruptions if GPS fails.

While multiple systems (Russian, European, etc.) and chips with multiple sources exist, a coordinated attack could potentially disable all GPS systems.

GPS is operated by a large US Air Force team based in Colorado Springs, highlighting its vulnerability to disruptions or sabotage.

Without continuous maintenance and adjustment, GPS accuracy can deteriorate significantly over time.


4. Adapting to Climate Change: The Rise of Indoor Farming and Synthetic Meat

As climate change reshapes traditional agricultural practices, technologies like indoor farming and synthetic meat are emerging as potential solutions. These innovations aim to mitigate the environmental impact of food production, offering a glimpse into the future of agriculture in a world grappling with ecological challenges.

Rodney Brooks believes indoor farming is underestimated and poised to grow significantly.

He emphasizes the need to reconsider traditional farming practices in light of emerging technologies and environmental challenges.


5. The Magic of Technology: Perception and Limitations

Advanced technology often appears magical, exemplifying Arthur C. Clarke’s adage that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. The hypothetical reaction of Isaac Newton to a modern smartphone underscores the astonishing advancements in technology. However, it also highlights the limitations of human understanding and the challenges even a genius might face in comprehending such advanced tools.

Arthur C. Clarke’s third law states that sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

People often misperceive technology as magical, leading to unrealistic expectations and misunderstandings about its capabilities and limitations.

The debate about superintelligence is an example of this, with pundits making bold claims about its potential without fully understanding its limits.

If Isaac Newton were transported to the present day and shown an iPhone, he would be amazed by its capabilities.

The iPhone’s screen, movies, music, internet access, and personal data storage would all seem like magic to him.

Despite his extensive knowledge of optics, Newton would be unable to comprehend the inner workings of the iPhone.


6. Understanding AI: Performance vs. Competence

While AI systems show remarkable performance in specific tasks, it’s vital to distinguish this from overall competence. Current AI systems, despite their achievements, operate within narrow domains and lack the versatility and adaptability of human intelligence. This distinction is crucial in understanding AI’s role and potential impact on society.

Limits of AI’s Capabilities:

– Despite its impressive performance in certain tasks, AI lacks the broad understanding and reasoning abilities of humans.

Faith-based Arguments:

– Some AI experts hold a “faith-based” view of AI, assuming it can achieve anything without acknowledging its limitations.

Performance vs Competence:

– AI systems may excel at specific tasks but lack the general competence to handle complex and varied situations like humans.

Overestimation of AI’s Competence:

– Pundits often exaggerate AI’s capabilities, leading to unrealistic expectations and fears.

Driverless Cars as an Analogy:

– Driverless cars illustrate AI’s limited capabilities, as they struggle with unexpected situations and lack the flexibility of human drivers.

7. The Slow Dance of Technological Deployment

The deployment of new technologies often takes longer than anticipated, particularly when capital costs and physical upgrades are involved. Historical examples like the B-52 bomber, in service for decades, and the use of PLCs in manufacturing, updated every 20 years, illustrate the slow pace of technological changeover in physical systems.

8. The Role of Metaphors in Technology Adoption and Understanding

Our understanding of technology is heavily influenced by metaphors that relate to our physical world. This metaphorical thinking shapes how we perceive and interact with new technologies, often leading to a gradual adoption process as we familiarize ourselves with novel concepts. For instance, the adoption of touchscreens and gestures like pinch-to-zoom was a learning curve built upon existing knowledge and metaphors.

The Depths of Technological Evolution

The journey of technological evolution is marked by a complex interplay of overestimation, underestimation, and gradual adoption. As we navigate through this landscape, it’s essential to recognize the deep-seated patterns in our perception and adoption of new technologies. From the slow integration of AI and self-driving cars to the unrecognized impact of technologies like GPS, our understanding and adaptation to these advancements reveal the profound and often unexpected ways in which technology reshapes our world.

Technological Mimicry:

– Much of modern technology replicates primitive technologies, such as the Kindle mimicking a book.

– This imitation is likely due to cultural understandability, acceptability, and deeply embedded metaphors associated with these primitive technologies.

Human Limitations:

– Humans are limited in their ability to solve problems and create new technologies beyond their physical metaphors and experiences.

– This limitation is evident in the difficulty of understanding complex concepts like quantum mechanics, which cannot be easily explained using physical metaphors.

Lack of Imagination and AI:

– The lack of imagination in technology development may hinder the creation of truly novel and groundbreaking technologies.

– AI’s potential to overcome human limitations and create new technologies is uncertain, as it may be constrained by the same physical metaphors and limitations that humans face.

Dolphins and Humans:

– Dolphins are often seen as intelligent but lacking the dexterity and intelligence to build complex technologies.

– This analogy suggests that humans may similarly be limited in their ability to create truly intelligent AI systems.

Linearity and Limitations:

– Many people in the field of AI have a utopian confidence in the imminent arrival of advanced AI, based on past technological progress.

– However, the limitations of human understanding and the potential depth of the challenges ahead may hinder such rapid progress.

Metaphors and Complexity:

– Human language and understanding are based on physical metaphors that break down when things become complex, such as in quantum mechanics.

– This reliance on physical metaphors limits our ability to create technologies that go beyond these metaphors.


Notes by: Simurgh